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Brain damage! Alert BASIC is Toxic!
« on: June 07, 2019, 01:48:42 pm »
Hi guys

YES TOXIC! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOZuxwVk7TU

What do you think of these experts?
https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/how-programming-affects-brain/

this is the extract for those that are too lazy to read the whole article

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“The use of COBOL cripples the mind; its teaching should, therefore, be regarded as a criminal offence.”

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“It is practically impossible to teach good programming to students that have had a prior exposure to BASIC: as potential programmers they are mentally mutilated beyond hope of regeneration.”

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“Programmers can obfuscate their variable or function names, but not the structures they subconsciously prefer to use or their favorite increment operators.”

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So much so, in fact, that it’s actually possible to take anonymized code and determine who wrote it based solely on how the task was approached and how the code was written. The more difficult the task, the easier it is to “de-anonymize.”

Pete SAVE ME I have not only DISLEXYA (yet it is wrong or I have no dylesia, do you agree?)
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Re: Brain damage! Alert BASIC is Toxic!
« Reply #1 on: June 07, 2019, 02:05:14 pm »
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Re: Brain damage! Alert BASIC is Toxic!
« Reply #2 on: June 07, 2019, 02:15:48 pm »
I think Pete is still reviewing TOXIC.
Interesting article but I would think it may be too subjective to rate one programming language over another. It would be like a trying to chose which horn makes the best music - a saxophone or trumpet.
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Re: Brain damage! Alert BASIC is Toxic!
« Reply #3 on: June 07, 2019, 03:07:37 pm »
While there may be something to what the article says, I question whether the emphasis may be in the wrong place - in my experience, it's not that BASIC or COBOL is a crappy language (although they both do have 'features' that encourage poor practice); it's that most BASIC (or COBOL) instructors teach poorly. Even if you're using a low-end BASIC like Apple's Integer BASIC or AppleSoft BASIC, or Commodore's BASIC on the PET (rather than a mid-BASIC like GW-BASIC or BetterBASIC, or a high-end BASIC like QB/QB64, Visual BASIC, or CA-REALIZER), you can write well-structured, more-or-less modular code. However, you have to be taught to think about the problem in the structured way, rather than the sort of ad-hockery that people accuse BASIC (rather than BASIC instructors) of encouraging.

(I say that there may be something to what the article says, because I've experienced it - it doesn't matter what syntax I'm using, be it C, Pascal, BASIC, PowerShell, LISP, APL, or whatever; I have a tendency to "write my code in Pascal". This is a very pronounced tendency; when I took a 'survey of programming languages' course in college, one of the languages surveyed was APL. When I handed in the APL project, the instructor returned it with full marks, but also a written comment, "You're a Pascal programmer, aren't you?". He could tell from the way I wrote the APL, even though I used proper APL 'idioms' and shortcuts.)
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Re: Brain damage! Alert BASIC is Toxic!
« Reply #4 on: June 07, 2019, 03:11:08 pm »
Nice article, Tempo. It encouraged me. :-D

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Re: Brain damage! Alert BASIC is Toxic!
« Reply #5 on: June 07, 2019, 03:55:31 pm »
My first thought, you randomly typed ones and zeros to symbolize the mentioned "Brain Damage", but then, wait Petr is that Amiga guy who tries to get back the MOD playing to QB64, so my thought was to easy, no we Amiga fellows think even more different than the regular PC coders, do we?

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Re: Brain damage! Alert BASIC is Toxic!
« Reply #6 on: June 07, 2019, 04:24:20 pm »
We're all in the same boat. That's why we're helping. But it is a fact that I am sometimes annoying. Mostly when my own code shows me that the error was again between the keyboard and the chair. :-D
If I had to describe the last problem ...  lot of conditions in program. Result? Dead mouse. 3 days. That was the price of my stupidity, before I found own bug...

The binary code is not random. It's two English words :-D
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Re: Brain damage! Alert BASIC is Toxic!
« Reply #7 on: June 07, 2019, 06:03:23 pm »
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Re: Brain damage! Alert BASIC is Toxic!
« Reply #8 on: June 07, 2019, 07:04:06 pm »
IF ibnuts THEN looneybin$ = "True"

Nope! No damage there....

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« Reply #9 on: June 07, 2019, 07:15:12 pm »
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Re: Brain damage! Alert BASIC is Toxic!
« Reply #10 on: June 07, 2019, 08:17:30 pm »
Hey for this Google Translator doesn't work! :-(((
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« Reply #11 on: June 07, 2019, 08:49:36 pm »
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Re: Brain damage! Alert BASIC is Toxic!
« Reply #12 on: June 07, 2019, 08:59:42 pm »
And, I like Cheetos.
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Re: Brain damage! Alert BASIC is Toxic!
« Reply #13 on: June 07, 2019, 10:06:23 pm »
Cheese PUFFS!
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Re: Brain damage! Alert BASIC is Toxic!
« Reply #14 on: June 08, 2019, 04:29:03 am »
Nice source code, BPlus. I use rather _CLIPBOARD$ for direct decoding / coding this string instead of disc file access.
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