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Active Forums => QB64 Discussion => Topic started by: Pete on September 14, 2018, 02:53:26 pm
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They go back to see all the stuff they coded... and try to figure out what the hell they were thinking when they coded it! Well, mostly what the program actually does. Maybe that is more just on me, as I tend to create many utility programs. I went through 3 years of saved projects yesterday and found 138 that related to HTML projects. I do have to thank Rob for making QB64 file names longer than the 8.3 MSDOS naming system that QB45 was married to. It was very hard back then to tell what a program did by name. Although the longer names are so much better, there is a bit of a problem with the current IDE in that it displays paths and names, so that makes actual name get cut off. Of course you can see what you need in explorer or another file viewing utility, so...
Anyway, in my 60s I think I'm OK and I should be able to start adding some REM notes in the code or maybe make an index file to explain my projects before I hit my 70s and can't remember the alphabet. Hey, there's like what? Nearly 20 letters? it's not that easy. :D
You know, I actually admire Steve for being able to comment profusely throughout his projects. I wish I was that full of myself sometimes. My wife tells me she wishes that too, instead of me being full of myself all of the time. Truth be told, I really can't understand how I bother with all the statements you need to write to get a program to do anything, but hate so much to narrate how the projects work and what the variables and code blocks do.
Well, back to the grindstone. Remember, youth is only wasted on the young if you're wasted while you're young.
Pete
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Truth be told, I really can't understand how I bother with all the statements you need to write to get a program to do anything, but hate so much to narrate how the projects work and what the variables and code blocks do.
Don't worry about that, read a slogan/comment somewhere:
Good coders do not comment, because what was hard to write should be hard to read too...
So, what does it mean in your case? - You're a good coder!
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I love that, thanks!
When I coded in QB45 I never comment anything. I typed in ALL CAPS and never indented. Thankfully, I had already detached from the even older days of using GOTO statements and line numbers. I used a lot of sub-routines, instead, but I hardly ever gave them any descriptive labels. In fact, I used as few letters as possible to save memory. On one of my larger office projects, I would have a cheat sheet that would tell me hate MS1, MS2, etc. would stand for. Same with variables, which were almost all just one letter, and never more than two letters long.
Today I have abandoned the caps lock, indent, use descriptive names for subs but many times I'm still not descriptively naming variables, and I do at least some remarks, especially at the beginning of a program. I guess I learned that from a remark I placed at the bottom of an old program I ran, something about REM Caution, running this code will wipe your hard drive but please enjoy the SCREEN 0 screen saver while the task is being completed.
Pete
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... When I coded in QB45 I never comment anything. I typed in ALL CAPS and never indented ...
... Today I have abandoned the caps lock, indent, use descriptive names for subs ...
Ahh, now finally I do understand the meaning of the word "development" ... :)
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I think you meant evolution. Evolution is the most important factor in all cases of survival. I realized this after losing way too much money placing bets on things like a 3-legged zebra. Speaking of wild animals, what do you get when you cross an elephant with a rino?
Pete
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A very cross elephant!
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A well hung horny beast!
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Well Steve and Bplus, I'm not sure which of you is right, because all I can say is, "Eleph-ino."
Pete :D
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*facepalm*
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No, no no. That's what you get when you cross an elephant with an optometrist... Eleph-i-care.
Pete :D
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"What old coders do when they aren't busy coding..."?
'They' read this sh*t. :|
I think you meant evolution. Evolution is the most important factor in all cases of survival. I realized this after losing way too much money placing bets on things like a 3-legged zebra. Speaking of wild animals, what do you get when you cross an elephant with a rino?
Pete
A well hung horny beast!
No, no no. That's what you get when you cross an elephant with an optometrist... Eleph-i-care.
Pete :D
*sigh* :)
wheres the booze?
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Well Cobalt,
at least nobody of us was required too use the word "sh*t" or similar bad language, you should think about that!
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I have little children. What is this the "free time"? :-D
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Well Steve and Bplus, I'm not sure which of you is right, because all I can say is, "Eleph-ino."
Pete :D
I still think I was right. It'd be a beast with a large hanging nose, with a horn above that, making it a well-hung horny beast!
I don't know what Cobalt was imagining, but it seems his thoughts might've been a little more perverted than my purely innocent one warranted. :P
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I'm pretty sure my puns were the reason Network54 shut down; however, I still do 2 shows nightly. Please be advised you have to come early, and make it all the way to the 9th Circle for really good seating.
Pete :D
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Hey Pete
1. @why do you cut out beginner coders like me?
(I am not older about experience of coding, because I'm hobbist, and I am not older for age because I'm just fifty years old)
2. @because I'm just little, what of two shows do you suggest to see to me?
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I recommend the first show. By the time the second one roles around, most of the complimentary leftover haggis is either stale or has been double dipped.
Pete :D
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Hi all,
Since I'm far to be a professional coder (I was mainly the CEO and the "product designer" in my own company and now that I'm retired I code only for fun and for my own insanity - LoL), during my spare time I still practice bike on race tracks (Suzuki 1000 GSX/R and MV Agusta 1000 RR) as well as paragliding (Advance Omega) and when at home with my "blond" I love to cook excellent French recipes to share with friends who bring some good bottles of wine.
BTW, since I'm bad as a coder, I comment a lot my stuffs and try to use comprehensive sub, function and variable names since, as a matter of fact, these naming conventions do not request more memory than simple restricted "az" names.
This is also true with my bash scripts such as my QB64-InForm-vWATCH installation script (www.as2.com (http://www.as2.com)) that I just modified to take care of the problem with Ubuntu (the -no-pie switch to add to the makefile_lnx.txt file for this very specific distro).
Cheers.
Fifi
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Quote: "It's better to look like an idiot for a short time while asking something obvious to an expert than pretending to be smart all your life. (C) Me."
Really?
I'm going to go with...
It's obviously better to look like an expert all your life while talking to an idiot for a short time. (C) Me.
Pete :D
- A lot of people are taking up paragliding where I live in California. I think they are preparing for when Trump builds The Wall! Anyway, fun hobby! Bikes, not so much. In the U.S., we have cars.
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Hi Pete,
I love your sens of joke.
BTW, I used to live twelve years in the USA and almost three years in California (in Scotts Valley when I was appointed as consultant with Borland and working closely with my past away very good friend Bob Zale (the author of Turbo Basic) and in Santa Monica.
So, I used to regularly fly canopies (paragliders) as well as hand-gliders in Torey Pines, Black Mountain and many other places all along the west coast from San Diego up to San Francisco as well as over mounts in Utah (Point of the Mountain), Colorado (Boulder) and Nevada (Lake Tahoe).
I'm also one of the crazy french guy who made with my canopy a take off from the HOLLYWOOD sign in LA and landing in a green park downtown. However, I was not prosecuted since there was no rule or sign saying that was forbidden (BTW, the Borland lawyer was great when he said : in a real free country like in France from where my client is from, what's not clearly forbidden is authorized. LoL).
Further, I also was riding my bike, not a HD but a nice Honda CBX 1000 Six but don't worry, I do love American cars too such as a 67 Mustang Shelby Cobra T500, a Ford GT40 or even a Corvette Stingray convertible Z51.
Cheers.
Fifi
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I've spent time in most of those places... 5 to 10 in a little island community near San Francisco, but got out early for good behavior.
What years were you in Santa Monica?
Pete
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In this age I think you need to clarify if you mean you designed that on a paint app or you actually build watches. It looks great in either case, but it's running a little behind.
Pete
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Hi Pete,
I've spent time in most of those places... 5 to 10 in a little island community near San Francisco, but got out early for good behavior.
What years were you in Santa Monica?
Pete
I used to live in Scotts Valley and in Santa Cruz in 86 and 87 when I was a contractor with Borland helping Bob Zale to Fix Turbo basic and stayed in Santa Monica (more precisely close to Venice) in 88 - 89 when I used to write papers as a tech survey for the french versions of PC Magazine and PC Week.
So, I used to write some good stuffs for Spencer Kat (LoL).
That's when early in 88 I started my first US Cie. International Software Solutions Inc. witch produced Turbo Text, Turbo DB (Dbase II, III, III+ and later IV compatible), Turbo Desk (a better TSR clone of Sidekick) and many other specific products dedicated to the french market such as OrdiFacture (an invoice system with stock management) and StarBone (a highly specialized medical tool for sports physicians and trauma specialists).
Most of these products but our TSRs were written in compiled BASIC (plus some assembly for speed in critical points such as windowing on DOS) using indifferently QB 4,5, Turbo Basic and later PDS 7.
Latter on, my entire development team moved to ANSI C when we switched from DOS to OS/2 and Windows. this is when we created, long time before any other, the first graphical and cross platform remote control utility called R.S.M. (Remote Services Management) with host (client) for DOS, OS/2 and Windows and guest (manager) for OS/2 and Windows, a product that we sold worldwide to over 120 millions copies including several OEM releases with big guys such as Compuware, and even a bundle with OS/2 Warp IV under the name SOS/2.
As a matter of fact, ISS Inc. was acting almost like a book publisher, with a very small internal team (3 peoples at the beginning and up to 50 at the end when we had subsidiaries in France, Germany, England and South Africa prior we sold in 97 the complete group to Peregine Systems Inc.) and external authors paid with royalties on the net sales of their product as I learned to do from my old friend Philippe Kahn.
Cheers.
Fifi
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We might have bumped into each other. I used to go to UCLA during those years you were in that area. I used Med library in those pre-internet days to look up stuff for my practice. I also remember Santa Monica well from my childhood. We used to go to Pacific Ocean Park, which burned down in 1967, basically where Venice is located. They filmed a show at the beach I would go and see, called "Groovy" and the Monkees got there start around those parts, as well. My Dad's had a store on Pico Blvd. Adam West was a customer of his (Batman). He got an autographed pic for me, but I tore it up because I was a Green Hornet fan. Oh well, I was 7 at the time. The Santa Monica Pier was mostly just the merry-go-round back in the day. Much more developed now but the element has changed over the years. I guess it's one reason I'm so in favor of increasing criminal sentences. I took my pre-teen niece, visiting from Iowa, to the Santa Monica Pier in the 1980s, and she got to see her first drug bust. 15 cop cars came roaring down the boardwalk. Just good old fashion family fun, right? I really miss the old days, where the country was more to the right and people were more concerned with locking thugs up than letting them out.
Pete
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Hi Pete,
Sure, we must have bumped into each other at that time. Do you remember the guy always dressed with white clothes and playing Jimi Hendrix stuffs on his electric guitar with a small amplifier in his back while rolling with roller skates on the cycling path of Venice? I'm sure you've seen him. Can't remember his name, but I'm sure to still have somewhere a CD or 2 of this guy.
Cheers.
Fifi
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LOL - I remember him and a host of other colorful people skating along the cement boardwalk that parallels the beach.
Pete
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LOL - I remember him and a host of other colorful people skating along the cement boardwalk that parallels the beach.
Pete
Sure, he's the guy and his band. loL;
BTW, he was a fabulous guitar player whatever he used to smoke or get. I don't know if he's still alive !
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What concerns me more is the replies on this page, so far at least, are made up exclusively from members with Looney Tunes avatars. If Steve ever switches his to Elmer Fudd, I bet Fell will close up shop and begin therapy.
Pete :D