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Active Forums => QB64 Discussion => Topic started by: Bert22306 on September 06, 2021, 09:50:54 pm
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Just in case anyone was wondering. So far, no problems.
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Well that's good news and bad news. The good news is QB64 won't have to be an MS app to run on Windows 11. The bad news is, thers's Windows 11. :(
Pete
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Wow, I didn’t even know there is a windows 11. I’m still on 7. Passed on 8 and 10. I guess Microsoft passed on 9?
Dav
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Microsoft made such a mess of Windows 8 that they went straight to 10 to look like a significant improvement.
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+1 @Pete, I'am still on Win7 too at home, unfortunatly at work we have Win10 since the last new PC rollout past year.
This damn flat design really sucks, maybe it's better for touch displays such as tablets, but Microsoft should reconsider (at least per user preference) to switch back to the semi-transparent 3d style of win7 when using their operating system on desktop computers.
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Microsoft made such a mess of Windows 8 that they went straight to 10 to look like a significant improvement.
Dang, we must be much worse than them then, since we went directly from QB45 to QB64!
Honestly, and with all joking aside, I can’t help but wonder what people’s obsession with Windows 9 is. It’s not like the others fall into a pattern either!
First there was Windows, Windows 2, and Windows 3. The next version had to be Windows 4. Right?
Errr…. Nope! It was Windows 3.11.
But the NEXT versions were Windows 4, 5, and 6. Right??
Errr…. Nope! We got Windows 95, Windows 98, Windows ME, Windows 2000, Windows XP, Windows Vista, and THEN Windows 7!
No 4, 5, or 6, but it was 7 versions after 3.11 that we got Windows 7! Go figure.
Then, somehow, we go to Windows 8, then to 8.1…
And from this “predictable pattern” of naming convention, folks somehow think the next version should’ve been Windows 9?
Honestly, I wouldn’t be surprised if the next version was Windows 2030 (based on end support date for the name), Windows Applebutter (cause it’s better than just Apples), or Windows Services (as they fully turn to a service based OS that costs $9.99 per month to use). I truly see no reason why folks would think there needed to be a Windows 9, nor why they’d expect the next version to be Windows 11.
At the end of the day, they’re all nothing more than just names for “Windows”.
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An illogical convention to a logical device.
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Good to know that QB64 works with a new version of Windows but the burning question in my mind is, "It is worth getting Windows 11?" -- My money's on probably not.
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In response to Steve's post on the MS naming history, the pattern I see is this. MS uses all text when naming their operating systems! So, my conclusion is this: Microsoft's executive in charge determines what the the next operating system will be called by pulling the name out of his ascii. If Bill were here, he'd further explain how quantum tunneling makes that possible.
Pete
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Good to know that QB64 works with a new version of Windows but the burning question in my mind is, "It is worth getting Windows 11?" -- My money's on probably not.
It’s a free download (supposedly), so why not? From what I can see from the beta testing, it really doesn’t seem too different than 10, except for some trivial UI changes.
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I'd settle for one critical improvement. A one-button option to turn off Windows Fupdates.
Pete
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Dang, we must be much worse than them then, since we went directly from QB45 to QB64!
Dyslexai strikes again!
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Steve,
Errr…. Nope! We got Windows 95, Windows 98, Windows ME, Windows 2000, Windows XP, Windows Vista, and THEN Windows 7!
Let's not forget Windows NT? and Windows 1 (which could fit on a 3 1/4" floppy...)
Those were the days....
J
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Steve,
Let's not forget Windows NT? and Windows 1 (which could fit on a 3 1/4" floppy...)
Those were the days....
J
You forgot win 2.0, 3.0, 3.1, 3.11, win98se and the first attempt at multi-threaded processing win286 (the numb nuts processor)
And what do you mean those days. I consider today still in those days. The only real version of windows that meant anything was XP. Why do you think it took too long to put a nail in that coffin?
/sarcasm What's a floppy ? Is it something never to say to a woman?
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What's a floppy ? Is it something never to say to a woman?
I dunno. I’ve never had one when with a woman, and they never brought the issue up. Seems my experience with women was always talking about the contents of my hard drive.
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And what do you mean those days.
When I was part way through High School, we used our 'grey-matter' and slide rules do do our math. Pocket calculators had just been developed but were too expensive for school kids. Personal computers were at least a decade away. Various versions of DOS while waiting for this new Windows system. I have been around computers now for over 50 years... That is what I mean by 'those days'.
(I used 'those days' because I dislike the term 'back in the day'... but that's me... lol)
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When I was part way through High School, we used our 'grey-matter' and slide rules do do our math. Pocket calculators had just been developed but were too expensive for school kids. Personal computers were at least a decade away. Various versions of DOS while waiting for this new Windows system. I have been around computers now for over 50 years... That is what I mean by 'those days'.
(I used 'those days' because I dislike the term 'back in the day'... but that's me... lol)
So you have been around computers about less than a half decade more than me. Not too much has changed since then. The calculators got cheaper and smarter. Kids don't know how to use or let alone what a slide rule is. They prob wonder where the trigger is so the center part can go flying. Computers didn't make things easier since then. Can you really name one piece of a modern computer that can't get Borked? Even the floppy drive can get misaligned making your floppies only work in your computer. And if you have not backed up those floppies you won't be able to read the data, now or very soon. And don't get me started on software, vaporware and over-hyped O/S's.
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I've been using Windows 11 for a few months now. It's very smooth. I prefer it to the previous versions of Windows. Good performance and great design. QB64 programs look great in Windows 11, especially when calling dialog boxes from Common Controls version 6.
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Ye, the QB64 performance seems mostly unchanged, perhaps a hair slower than it was with Win10. I'm not positive about that yet.
I use Steve's graphics speed test, and my own number crunching speed test program. Both give more or less the same results as before. In my test, which creates three groups of five results, I get one or two slightly higher numbers in each group, than previously. But, still beta testing days for Win11, and that sort of stuff gets improved over time.
So, good deal there. In Steve's graphics test, the high number was increased when I enabled virtualization based security (VBS). Even using Windows 10. The low number was unchanged by VBS. And my number crunching performance numbers also unchanged, by VBS.
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Just ran into my first real gripe with Win 11 — the right click context menu has changed. It was a simple right click, then select copy, or paste, or extract archive…
Now it’s right click, click “more options”, select from old menu as before. There’s an extra, stupid, select/click involved in there now, which I personally find a very annoying move.
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You know what really gripes me? Complainers. Complainers really gripe me. People should stop their endless complaining, and learn to have a much more rosy outlook on life, like I do...
Pete :D
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extra, stupid, select/click involved in there now
And Likely there is a reg fix to remove it from selection. Microsoft has learned painfully. Any change that effects sales must be able to be undone. Easily proven by that fact Win 7 came out. It was a response to undo Vista.
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And Likely there is a reg fix to remove it from selection. Microsoft has learned painfully. Any change that effects sales must be able to be undone. Easily proven by that fact Win 7 came out. It was a response to undo Vista.
Supposedly there is. Only problem is the registery fix doesn’t currently do anything for me easily. According to MS help, it requires a complete reboot of the system for the “fix” to work, (and even then it takes a half dozen register alterations), and since my laptop is currently being used as a web server and torrent host, that’s something I’m trying hard to avoid downtime as much as possible on it, since there’s no dedicated mirror for it.
It’s rather silly, in my opinion. Why does a simple context menu need a complete system reboot to start from default menu 2, rather than default menu 1? A simple variable toggle could easily designate the default menu to use.
Somebody’s doing some rather crappy coding on this Win 11 update. Little things like this makes me wonder just how many glitches are going to pop up once it all goes live later this year, or early next year.
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Not going to happen. Microsoft has always been a feature driven company. It's always been a problem. Microsoft can't get it right until the third release of a product. That's a maxim. Another given odd number Star Trek movies suck.
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Just ran into my first real gripe with Win 11 — the right click context menu has changed. It was a simple right click, then select copy, or paste, or extract archive…
Now it’s right click, click “more options”, select from old menu as before. There’s an extra, stupid, select/click involved in there now, which I personally find a very annoying move.
I have precisely the same gripe. How dumb is it, to hide an option as commonly used as "copy," behind a "more options" category? I don't really understand what could lead someone to make such a decision.
Other than niggling issues like that, I honestly don't see the point of all the fuss. We should be excited because now the task bar icons are centered? In reading some of the articles about Win11, turns out that this new taskbar required all new code. Whoopie doo, right? There might be changes that are making some people excited, but nothing obvious to me, the way I use the OS.
Oh, and no live tiles? I'm not heartbroken over that, but is this an improvement?
Anyway, the essential point is that the IDE works perfectly well, as do the .exe files generated by QB64.
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I have a hunch that Windows 11 will "learn" often used items in the "more options" and place them on top of the list without having to go to the more options menu, I have not tested this to make absolutely sure'
but as an experiment, you who have 11 beta installed, select something from the more options a dozen times and see what happens