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Title: QBASIC for Win10
Post by: SMcNeill on December 02, 2020, 01:01:12 am
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/p/qbasic/9ntmcqwn2sqm?activetab=pivot:overviewtab#

Anyone give this a try?  QBASIC in the microsoft store... 
Title: Re: QBASIC for Win10
Post by: bplus on December 02, 2020, 01:15:12 am
That's very tempting to try but I don't think I want .bas file interfering with QB64 when I click them in Explorer.
Title: Re: QBASIC for Win10
Post by: jack on December 02, 2020, 05:17:38 am
I tried it once, have since uninstall it
it seems to be written in JavaScript because the test-code that I used had the same failure as this http://stevehanov.ca/blog/?id=92
I don't remember what test code I used
Title: Re: QBASIC for Win10
Post by: bplus on December 02, 2020, 11:27:33 am
Wow! If it doesn't support graphics screens then it's only for Pete!

I don't see MS putting out a Java Script version of QBasic though, specially without complete support for what THEY use to add in free with DOS.
Title: Re: QBASIC for Win10
Post by: jack on December 02, 2020, 12:15:20 pm
it's sold or distributed via MS store, it's not necessarily their product
Title: Re: QBASIC for Win10
Post by: FellippeHeitor on December 02, 2020, 12:17:16 pm
By the looks of the screenshot it's clearly   [ This attachment cannot be displayed inline in 'Print Page' view ]   not their product.

Title: Re: QBASIC for Win10
Post by: SMcNeill on December 02, 2020, 12:45:31 pm
And yet, nobody’s tried it, so they can give us a little insight on it?

I should be back home in a day, or so.  I’ll grab a copy and play around with it a bit after that, and I’ll let you guys know how it goes.
Title: Re: QBASIC for Win10
Post by: SpriggsySpriggs on December 02, 2020, 12:53:20 pm
@SMcNeill I have tried it before and had many issues with it. It does run some very simple demo programs but the IDE sucks. I am not a good candidate for testing it since my code isn't usually based in regular QBASIC or graphics and uses external libraries.
Title: Re: QBASIC for Win10
Post by: STxAxTIC on December 02, 2020, 02:16:49 pm
it sucks
Title: Re: QBASIC for Win10
Post by: bplus on December 02, 2020, 02:35:05 pm
RE: "not their product"

I wonder what process an app has to pass for MS approval? When I said putting out I didn't necessarily mean producing but including licensing or approving of for their store.

ie with enough $ shelled out will they approve anything? so I am completely un-informed of what standards they have.

I confess I saw the foreign letters not being English and the alert alarms began to sound.
Title: Re: QBASIC for Win10
Post by: Pete on December 02, 2020, 04:51:03 pm
CHEAP CRAP MADE IN ASIA! Where's Codeguy when I need him?

On a serious note, has anyone asked Rob how h'd feel about putting QB64 in the MS store?

Pete
Title: Re: QBASIC for Win10
Post by: SpriggsySpriggs on December 02, 2020, 04:58:54 pm
On a serious note, has anyone asked Rob how h'd feel about putting QB64 in the MS store?

That would be pretty neat. It would get the name out in one more spot, at least.
Title: Re: QBASIC for Win10
Post by: Bert22306 on December 02, 2020, 05:35:49 pm
On a serious note, has anyone asked Rob how h'd feel about putting QB64 in the MS store?

Hmmm. I'd hesitate. Did Rob get permission to (shamelessly) copy the Qbasic IDE? It was a fantastic idea, to help make the transition pretty close to pain-free, but MS lawyers might have a field day.
Title: Re: QBASIC for Win10
Post by: Pete on December 02, 2020, 07:08:14 pm
Right, billionaire layers make killing suing school teacher, film at 10-minutes to never; but yes, I have looked t it from that side, too. The point is, it isn't the same code, or probably even close to the same code, even though just the IDE was made to look like it, for what I'm guessing was for the sake of nostalgia. So let's look at the one they are advertising as QBasic. Does that IDE look like the QBasic IDE? Sorry, I won't take the time to download it, because my gut plus what I've read so far tells me it's a piece of....

Pete
Title: Re: QBASIC for Win10
Post by: RNBW on December 03, 2020, 05:22:30 am
Installed it, tried it, uninstalled it.  Microsoft needs to check what's in its Store.

Seriously, why would you want to use it when you already have a much superior product in QB64.  Judging by earlier comments the QB product isn't that compatible with Qbasic, whereas QB64 is.  The only benefit (if it is a benefit) is that the QB product is an interpreter, whereas QB64 is a compiler and you have to wait a few seconds before you can use it (that is if you don't want to make an executable file).

My advice: stick with QB64.
Title: Re: QBASIC for Win10
Post by: Richard Frost on December 03, 2020, 12:24:58 pm
From the comments I see here, it isn't worth trying, esp. not when I have and still use QB4.5.
4.5 is excellent for starting a project - faster development without the compile delay.  When
a project is far advanced, THEN I switch to 64 for the speed and additional capabilties.  I can
use 4.5 directly on the XP computer or under DOSBox with Win10.

If I didn't have 4.5 I'd find/download MS QBASIC, not some crippled clone.  No graphics?  Blarg!
Title: Re: QBASIC for Win10
Post by: euklides on December 04, 2020, 05:59:40 am

This does not work:

for x = 1 to 25
print "Test"
next x

This works:
FOR x = 1 TO 25
PRINT "Test"
NEXT x


So forget It !
Title: Re: QBASIC for Win10
Post by: bplus on December 04, 2020, 01:02:33 pm
Yeah, if you call your app QBasic and put it in the MS Store, it better be like the QBasic from DOS or it's a lie and being put in the MS Store doesn't say much for them either. Demand your money back ;-))

Of course here, it would be slightly hypocritical to press the issue ie a bad idea!
Title: Re: QBASIC for Win10
Post by: Cobalt on December 07, 2020, 11:27:50 am
Unless of course QBasic means Quack Basic.

Better watch too, with it being an asian made product there is probably malicious code hiding out some where to steal information.

fine...
Title: Re: QBASIC for Win10
Post by: FellippeHeitor on December 07, 2020, 11:29:34 am
Unless of course QBasic means Quack Basic.

Better watch too, with it being an asian made product there is probably malicious code hiding out some where to steal information.

Not for being Asian, but for being from an unknown developer - most of our users go through the same fear.

Asian members of this forum: the opinion above is Cobalt's individually.
Title: Re: QBASIC for Win10
Post by: bplus on December 07, 2020, 01:43:35 pm
I guess I have to side with Cobalt's opinion.

Last I heard, Russia, China and N Korea are in Asia and those folks might be devious about what code gets exported from their countries, true we all have to live with propaganda of our own counties. But which countries exercise most control over Internet access?
Title: Re: QBASIC for Win10
Post by: FellippeHeitor on December 07, 2020, 02:08:06 pm
Just please do not generalize it enough so our Indian friends, for example, who are Asians, will get offended. Let political talk make its way into the off topic board, and even then, let us not be bigoted.
Title: Re: QBASIC for Win10
Post by: SpriggsySpriggs on December 07, 2020, 02:10:48 pm
Just please do not generalize it enough so our Indian friends, for example, who are Asians, will get offended. Let political talk make its way into the off topic board, and even then, let us not be bigoted.

+1. Never good to generalize.
Title: Re: QBASIC for Win10
Post by: bplus on December 07, 2020, 03:02:07 pm
Sorry, I don't think of India as part of Asia. I suppose population wise, big mistake.

OK no Asian generalizations from me anymore.

Ah so, the lettering might be Japanese.
Title: Re: QBASIC for Win10
Post by: STxAxTIC on December 07, 2020, 07:02:48 pm
aww well aren't we all so woke ;-)
Title: Re: QBASIC for Win10
Post by: SpriggsySpriggs on December 07, 2020, 07:03:33 pm
aww well aren't we all so woke ;-)

Lovely
Title: Re: QBASIC for Win10
Post by: Pete on December 08, 2020, 12:42:43 am
"Woke." Same great impact as stupid, but only half the syllables.

Pete
Title: Re: QBASIC for Win10
Post by: STxAxTIC on December 08, 2020, 02:17:21 am
Interesting flare-up to occur on December 7th by the way...
Title: Re: QBASIC for Win10
Post by: Cobalt on December 08, 2020, 02:15:27 pm
https://github.com/IshikawaMasashi

Kanji look familiar?

Title: Re: QBASIC for Win10
Post by: Pete on December 08, 2020, 03:44:11 pm
Interesting flare-up to occur on December 7th by the way...

Is that the day the Indians attacked Mini Pearl? Sorry, Fell has me all confused.

Pete